That UFO Podcast
The Telepathy Tapes Return, w/ Ky Dickens
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I’m joined by award-winning documentary filmmaker Ky Dickens to talk about telepathy, consciousness, and the remarkable experiences that inspired The Telepathy Tapes.
In this conversation, we explore the viral success of Season 1, the scientific studies involving non-speaking individuals, and what to expect from the upcoming documentary and Season 2. Ky shares deeply personal stories, insights from working with mediums and remote viewers, and discusses the fascinating concept of “The Hill” — a telepathic chat room said to connect non-verbal people in profound ways.
We also discuss the crea...
Pilots, Astronauts & the Stigma of the Unexplained – with Dr. Iya Whiteley
** Part 2 of 2 **
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Join me for this fascinating episode of That UFO Podcast as I speak with Dr. Iya Whiteley, an aviation and space psychologist with over 25 years of experience. From her early curiosity about extrasensory perception and martial arts to her groundbreaking work with astronauts and pilots, Dr. Whiteley offers unique insights into human performance in extreme environments.
We discuss her work with the European Space Agency, the psychological challenges of aviation and spaceflight, and how creativity and intuition play vital roles in solving problems...
Consciousness, Intuition, and the UFO Phenomenon — with Dr. Iya Whiteley
** Part 1 of 2 **
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Join me for this fascinating episode of That UFO Podcast as I speak with Dr. Iya Whiteley, an aviation and space psychologist with over 25 years of experience. From her early curiosity about extrasensory perception and martial arts to her groundbreaking work with astronauts and pilots, Dr. Whiteley offers unique insights into human performance in extreme environments.
We discuss her work with the European Space Agency, the psychological challenges of aviation and spaceflight, and how creativity and intuition play vital roles in solving problems...
UFO Whistleblowers speak out, 3I/Atlas keeps coming & more
Join Andy in the latest episode of 'That UFO Podcast' as he dives into a comprehensive UFO news update. This episode primarily discusses the recent revelations from whistleblower Dylan Borland, who has appeared on the 'Weaponized' podcast with Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp.
Andy covers highlights from Borland's testimony, including his experiences with UFOs, classified programs, and the challenges whistleblowers face.
The podcast also touches on other UFO-related news, including insights from scientist Jim Shell and updates on the Schumer-Rounds UAP Disclosure Act.
Links
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Bryce Zabel on UFOs, Hollywood, and the Fight for Disclosure
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Join me for a fascinating conversation with Bryce Zabel — award-winning producer, creator of Dark Skies, and co-author of A.D. After Disclosure. We explore his remarkable career in Hollywood and his deep involvement in UFO research, disclosure, and government transparency.
In this episode, Bryce shares his perspective on the latest UFO hearings in Congress, the controversial Age of Disclosure documentary, and what the future might hold for national security and UFO disclosure. He also gives updates on his current projects and offers intriguing insights into the JFK as...
UFO Attacks in Brazil: Thiago Ticchetti on Colares and Beyond
In this episode I speak with Brazilian author and researcher Thiago Ticchetti about Brazil’s extraordinary history of UFO encounters. From early influences and military secrets to the infamous Colares Incident of 1977, Thiago reveals why Brazil is home to some of the most aggressive and well-documented UFO cases in the world. They also explore lost evidence, comparisons with global sightings, and the country’s recent congressional hearings pushing for greater disclosure.
Thiago’s journey into ufology and early influences
How Brazil’s military handled UFO secrets
Why South America sees UFOs differently
Shocking cases of UFO aggr...
Daniel Sheehan: Constitutional Battles Over UAP Secrets
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In this episode I welcome back Daniel Sheehan, president of the New Paradigm Institute, to discuss recent UAP hearings, whistleblower protections, and the push for disclosure. They cover key figures like David Grusch, tensions between Congress and the executive branch, and the implications of newly shown UAP videos for the wider UFO community.
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Abductions, Airports, and Anomalies: China’s Most Puzzling UFO Cases w/Samuel Chong
**Part 2 of 2**
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Andy is joined by lawyer, court interpreter, translator, and UFO researcher Samuel Chong. Samuel shares his intriguing journey from Beijing to the United States and his lifelong interest in the paranormal, UFOs, and spirituality. The conversation delves into the cultural differences in UFO discussions between China and the West, notable Chinese UFO incidents, and Samuel’s perspective on the famous book 'Thiaoouba Prophecy' by Michel Desmarquet. Samuel explains his deep dive into the book's claims, covering abductions, ancient civilizations, and spiritual teachings.
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The Thiaoouba Prophecy: ETs, Religion, and China’s Hidden UFO History w/Samuel Chong
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Andy is joined by lawyer, court interpreter, translator, and UFO researcher Samuel Chong. Samuel shares his intriguing journey from Beijing to the United States and his lifelong interest in the paranormal, UFOs, and spirituality. The conversation delves into the cultural differences in UFO discussions between China and the West, notable Chinese UFO incidents, and Samuel’s perspective on the famous book 'Thiaoouba Prophecy' by Michel Desmarquet. Samuel explains his deep dive into the book's claims, covering abductions, ancient civilizations, and spiritual teachings.
Samuel Chong's Background and Interest in...
Rony Vernet on Brazil's UFO Hearing
In a special bonus update, Andy welcomes back Rony Vernet, founder of UAP Brazil, to discuss the recent UFO hearings held in Brazil. They delve into the political context, the lack of military and official presence at the hearings, and the challenges faced by UFO researchers in Brazil. Rony shares insights about his ongoing research, the influence of political instability, and the need for greater public awareness and military cooperation. Tune in for an in-depth look at the state of UFO investigations in Brazil and the future steps needed to advance the discussion.
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New Whistleblowers coming soon, Brazil hearings & Panama 'alien'
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In this latest episode of That UFO Podcast, Andy provides a comprehensive UFO news update for mid-September 2025. Including the release of Andy's new book, Atlas of UFOs, now available worldwide, and an overview of the latest developments in the UFO community.
Andy reviews revelations from the Weaponized Podcast by Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp, covering recent hearings and testimonies from witnesses and whistleblower Matthew Brown. He also explores the recent UFO hearings in Brazil, their historical context, and the significance of the country’s longstanding investigations into UFO ph...
David Marler: Denial to Disclosure
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Join Andy as he interviews UFO researcher and historian David Marler, exploring a plethora of fascinating topics including historical UFO sightings, government involvement, and the incredible data housed in UFO archives. Delve into discussions on triangular UFOs, radar visual reports, and the significance of credible witnesses. Discover exclusive insights on legendary cases and the latest scientific and academic endeavors in the UFO field. Don't miss this deep dive into the unexplained with one of the leading experts in UFO research.
Early UFO Encounters
Chasing Disclosure
Inside...
Ex-Military Ammunition Expert Analyzes Viral UAP Hearing Video
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Join us in this episode as we take a deep dive into a viral video shared during a recent UAP hearing. Andy welcomes an anonymous guest, a former ammunition technician from the British Army, who shares his expertise on the explosive systems and his analysis of the video. The discussion goes through a detailed breakdown of what might actually be depicted, including the possibility of a Hellfire missile test. Despite wanting to believe in the extraordinary, our guest provides a compelling explanation that might debunk the exciting initial interpretations...
Breakdown: Analysing the UAP & Whistleblower Hearing
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Only 24 hours after the historic UFO hearings in Washington D.C., we dive into the key moments, testimonies, and controversies that emerged.
We cover the witness accounts of Dylan Borland, Chief Alexandro Wiggins, and George Knapp, analyzing what their statements could mean for the broader disclosure conversation. We also look at newly analyzed video footage presented around the hearings, and how it’s shaping public and congressional perception.
Beyond the witness table, we explore the bigger themes: the protections and risks for whistleblowers, the debate ar...
Immediate Reactions to New UAP Hearings – Key Witness Statements and Revealing Footage
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This is my immediate reactions and initial thoughts on todays UAP hearings. Summarising the key statements from witnesses, including former Air Force and Navy personnel, and discussing the new UAP footage displayed during the hearing.
Immediate Reactions
Setting the Scene: Low Expectations
Key Statements and Witnesses
The testimony
5th Witness Surprise Appearance
Intriguing New Video Evidence
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Historic UFO Hearings Incoming, Nolan, Barber & more
Its the week of the UAP Hearings in Congress, so here is your last update before the big day on the 9th September (link to watch below)
Book Launch Announcement
Upcoming Historic Hearings
Witnesses and Their Backgrounds
Legal Implications of Lying to Congress
Danny Sheen and Whistleblower Protections
Garry Nolan on Joe Rogan
New Paradigm Institute Film
Jake Barber's Interview on Consciousness
Matthew Brown's Substack Series
UFO Leadership Discussion
Upcoming Events and Final Thoughts
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The UAP Disclosure Act: Politics, Power, and Non-Human Intelligence
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In this deep-dive episode, we explore the fast-moving world of UFO/UAP disclosure and the forces shaping it. From the UAP Disclosure Act and upcoming congressional hearings to the politicization of science and the role of mainstream media, we break down how legislation, testimony, and public pressure are converging on one of history’s most profound issues.
We cover the challenges faced by witnesses, the recognition long overdue for UFO researchers, and the startling connections between nuclear shutdowns and UAPs. Listener questions and activist perspectives add fresh insight in...
Truth, Testimony, and Disclosure: Steve Bassett’s Take on the UFO Hearings
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In this episode, Andy interviews Steve Bassett, Executive Director of the Paradigm Research Group, to discuss breaking news with the witness list finally available.
UAP Hearing: Witness List & Initial Reactions
Venue Significance: Capitol Visitor Center
Who Are the Witnesses?
George Knapp’s Role & Testimony
Firsthand vs. Secondhand Testimony
The Truth Embargo: History & Impact
The UAP Disclosure Act & Political Context
Media, Social Media, and Public Perception
The Role of Activism & Legacy
Global Disclosure: International Perspectives
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The UFO Hearings Omnibus: Looking Back Before 2025 (Pt.2)
**Part 2 of 2**
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With major UFO hearings set for September 9th, 2025 in the US — where military whistleblowers are expected to come forward with their experiences — now’s the perfect time to revisit the reactions to the first historic hearings (2022–2024).
In this 2-part series, I’m joined by guests including Jeremy Corbell, Alex Dietrich, Tim McMillan, Dan Zetterstrom, Graeme Rendall, and Klaus, sharing their insights and reactions to these landmark events.
Stay tuned for upcoming episodes this month previewing the hearings, reporting on the testimony, and breaking d...
The UFO Hearings Omnibus: Looking Back Before 2025 (Pt.1)
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With major UFO hearings set for September 9th, 2025 in the US — where military whistleblowers are expected to come forward with their experiences — now’s the perfect time to revisit the reactions to the first historic hearings (2022–2024).
In this 2-part series, I’m joined by guests including Jeremy Corbell, Alex Dietrich, Tim McMillan, Dan Zetterstrom, Graeme Rendall, and Klaus, sharing their insights and reactions to these landmark events.
Stay tuned for upcoming episodes this month previewing the hearings, reporting on the testimony, and breaking down the fallout.
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3 New Witnesses, Whistleblower Speaks Again, Major Skywatcher Changes
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A packed UFO news update: UAP hearing preview, Matthew Brown’s Immaculate Constellation, Skywatcher developments, the Tic-Tac manual leak, credibility questions, and more.
UAP hearing preview (September 9th)
Matthew Brown, Immaculate Constellation
Skywatcher developments
The 'Tic-Tac manual' leak
Credibility questions across the UFO field
And much more...
Stay tuned for insights, listener questions, and updates from ac...
(Pt.2) Breakdown: Chaos, Hearings & New UFO Whistleblowers
**Part 2 of 2**
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We continue our discussion into your listener questions as Pavel, from the Psicoactivo podcast is with me to answer your questions.
Civilian Researchers and Technology
The Role of the Catholic Church and Secretive Organizations
Fear Mongering and Scientific Investigations
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Breakdown: Chaos, Hearings & New UFO Whistleblowers
With another set of UFO hearings on the horizon for early September, there are a lot of moving parts as first hand witnesses are said to be ready to testify , Skywatcher goes through some potentially major changes & members of Congress argue online with big UFO names. To discuss this and a whole lot more I am enjoyed by Pavel Ibarra, from the Psicoactivo Podcast
Current State of UFO Hearings
Firsthand Witnesses and Their Impact
Potential Witnesses and Their Credibility
Skywatcher and Government Involvement
New Whistleblower and His Claims
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(Pt.2) The Nazca Mummies: Red Flags & Revelations, (w/Will Brown)
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In this episode Will Brown continues to discuss the Nazca mummies and answer your questions!
Listener questions and final reflections
Questions of authenticity, transparency, and peer review
Ancient civilizations, elongated skulls, and cultural practices
UFO sightings, artifacts, and potential hoaxes
Challenges in academic and online discourse
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The Nazca Mummies: Red Flags & Revelations, (w/Will Brown)
(Part 1 of 2)
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In this episode I take another look at the ongoing Nazca Mummies saga with researcher, author, and filmmaker Will Brown. Will shares his firsthand experiences and insights on the controversial Nazca mummies, weaving together tales of elongated skulls, grave robbers, and potential ancient rituals. But, is there a Non-Human explanation?
Meet researcher and filmmaker Will Brown
The Nazca Mummies: discovery, examination, and controversies
Scientific analysis, anomalies, and red flags
Historical context, petroglyphs, and the Nazca Lines
David Grusch’s influence an...
UFO News Update: Luna on Rogan, Elizondo/SCIF controversy & Loeb on 'Alien' threat
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In this episode, Andy discusses the latest UFO stories including comments from Representative Anna Paulina Luna on the Joe Rogan Podcast, intriguing online exchanges between Luna and Lue Elizondo, and the hot topic of a potential alien object nearing Earth. Also included are updates on Ross Coulthart leaving 'Need to Know', the relevance of the Nazca mummies, and listener questions.
Luna on Joe Rogan
Key Moments and Claims from the Interview
Listener Reactions and Comments to appearance
Elizondo and Luna online Exchange
Ross C...
(Pt.2) The UFO Secrecy Playbook – It’s Been Used Before: Chris Lehto
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Retired F-16 pilot Chris Lehto returns to discuss the state of UFO disclosure, the role of whistleblowers, and the growing frustration within the UFO community. We explore the impact of Cmdr. Fravor’s testimony, the decentralization of UFO research, media narratives, and how Chris’s military background shapes his view of the phenomenon.
Skywatcher and UFO Phenomenon
The Impact of Non-Human Intelligence Disclosure
The Role of Governments in Disclosure
Historical Analogies and Secrecy
Pilot Reports and UAP Stigma
The State of UAP Journalism
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(Pt.1) Secrets, Stigma, and Sightings: Chris Lehto on the UFO Battlefield
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Retired F-16 pilot Chris Lehto returns to discuss the state of UFO disclosure, the role of whistleblowers, and the growing frustration within the UFO community. We explore the impact of Cmdr. Fravor’s testimony, the decentralization of UFO research, media narratives, and how Chris’s military background shapes his view of the phenomenon.
Why disclosure feels stuck — and who might be stalling it
Chris Lehto's take on Cmdr. Fravor's testimony
The mental toll of following the UFO topic closely
Are whistleblowers being silenced or ignored?
Wh...
Exploring Crop Circles and UFO Phenomena: An Interview with Karen Alexander
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In this episode, returning guest Karen Alexander, a Crop Circle researcher of over 30 years joins me to look at this years new Circles & get into a bit of the history of the subject:
Karen Alexander’s Background in Crop Circles
What Are Crop Circles Really?
Scientific Investigations & Surprising Findings
Are Crop Circles a Message or a Mystery?
Guidelines for Visiting Crop Circles
Can AI Decode Crop Circle Patterns?
Doug & Dave: Debunkers or Distraction?
Crop Circles, Geometry & Human Consciousness
The Truth Be...
From Thought to Reality: Are UAPs Manifesting? w/James Hodgkins
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In this episode, I sit down with James Hodgkins, one of Skywatchers' psionic assets. We dive deep into the topics of consciousness, psionic phenomena, UFOs, and much more. James shares his personal experiences and thoughts on these subjects as well as his involvement with Sky Watcher.
Whistleblowers and Public Disclosure
Managing UFO Information Like a PR Campaign
David Grusch's Impact and Media Coverage
Challenges and Dangers for Whistleblowers
Citizen Disclosure and Skywatcher's Role
Dr. Beatriz Villaroel and Transient Objects
Listener Questions: Craft...
Exploring Psionic Phenomena & UFOs: An In-Depth Conversation with James Hodgkins
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In this episode, I sit down with James Hodgkins, one of Skywatchers' psionic assets. We dive deep into the topics of consciousness, psionic phenomena, UFOs, and much more. James shares his personal experiences and thoughts on these subjects as well as his involvement with Sky Watcher.
👇 Timestamps:
00:00 Welcome and Guest Introduction
01:00:00 Welcome and Guest Introduction
01:10 Early Psi Experiences & Family UFO Encounters
03:10 Major Contact at 19 & Joining Skywatcher
06:40 Consciousness, Folklore & the Phenomena
15:09 Skywatcher's Journey, Challenges & Transparency
36:47 Psionic Abilities, Inner Voices & Daily Life
48:00 The...
Ivan Hannel on Elizondo, UFO Disclosure – and a New Insider coming forward
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In this fascinating deep dive, I’m joined by Ivan Hannel — best known as the lawyer representing Luis “Lue” Elizondo, former head of AATIP — for a nearly two-hour conversation that explores the legal, political, and human sides of UFO disclosure.
We cover everything from the New York Times article that changed the game, to Ivan’s professional relationship with Elizondo, legal insights into congressional briefings, government secrecy, and… a tease of a potential new whistleblower coming forward.
Ivan's Journey: From Law to UFOs
Meeting L...
UFO Black Sites Named, New Evidence Coming Soon & More
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Another busy week in UFO world, another UFO news round up with a few really interesting moments from Weaponized with Corbell & Knapp, Diana Pasulka smashes an interview out the park &. new evidence coming soon?
Corbell drops locations of UFO interest!
Dustin Slaughter bringing new evidence forward
Diana Pasulka interview with NYT
AARO Tim Phillips brought 'Skeptics' into be briefed
New Under Sec Air Force UFO experiences
Upcoming guests
Tim Phillips - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsKAX6IFORU
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Breakdown: 'Sphere' & Loathing, Conciousness & Breakaway Civilisations
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Carrying on the Breakdown, Dan stayed on with me to answer your questions on some of the news happening, including:
New 'Buga'/'Yumbo' Sphere Controversy
Shades of Disclosure
Community Dynamics and Disinformation
Tic-Tac UFOs and Breakaway Civilizations
Human Technology vs. Alien Craft
Consciousness and Reality
Disclosure and Government Secrecy
Final Thoughts
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Breakdown: UFO Hearings Delayed – Science, Signals & Secrets (Pt. 1)
There is so much going on in the UFO/UAP world right now. I'm joined by Dan to break down a whole load of news, including:
Delay to hearings
Potential witnesses for upcoming hearings
Garry Nolan's insights on UFOs and scientific skepticism
Electromagnetic signals and UAPs
Historical context and literature
DMT research and other dimensions
Tic-Tac UFOs and breakaway civilizations
Disclosure and government secrecy
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UFO Hearings Delayed, Coulthart Follow-Up & Sightings Increase
Here is your latest news round-up from the last few days in the world of UFOs:
Ross Coulthart clarifies comments
Hearings delayed until September
Pilots of 'crash retrieval vehicles' appearing?
NewsNation recap
Multiple reports drop on UFO sightings
NewsNation recap:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z4a_GK-dkE
Canadian report:
https://science.gc.ca/site/science/en/office-chief-science-advisor/sky-canada-project/management-public-reporting-unidentified-aerial-phenomena-canada#appendix-b
NUFORC report:
https://www.newsnationnow.com/space/ufo/2000-ufo-sightings-first-half-2025/
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Breakdown: New data, deception & missed opportunities
We continue to look at the news stories that have dominated the headlines in recent weeks but also the first half of 2025, including:
Age of Disclosure: Missed Opportunities?
Skywatcher: Promises and Skepticism
Whistleblowers and Public Perception
AARO Leadership and Future
Observatory's Sky Scans
UFO Data and Public Perception
UK UAP Hearings and Legislation
Closing Thoughts
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Bonus: Tic-Tac witness Roundtable (Kevin Day, Gary Voorhis, PJ Hughes)
A bonus episode for you this weekend to look back at my first roundtable conversation from August 2020, but there's a big reason this one is worth checking out. These are three witnesses to the Tic Tac event of November 2004, all from differing expertise and vantage points. Very much worth diving into given the huge talking points Ross Coulthart, Eric Burlison & others have brought up around the origins of the Tic Tac craft.
Recounting the 2004 Nimitz Encounter
Personal Experiences and Reactions
New Revelations and Classified Information
Speculations on the Origin of UAPs
Impact on Milit...
Breakdown: Tic-Tac, Alien or Human tech?
* Part 1 of 2 *
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I am joined by Dan to discuss a range of breaking UFO news, including Ross Coulthart's explosive claim about Tic-Tac technology being developed by Lockheed Martin, updates on the Sky Watcher project, and the latest whistleblowers. We also delve into the implications of recent UFO sightings and tech, a new observatory's potential astronomical revelations, and the debated impact of government legislation on UAP disclosure.
The Tic-Tac Incident
Ross Coulthart's Bold Claims
Debating the Tic-Tac Technology
The Nimitz Encounter Breakdown
Lockheed Martin...
"Tic-Tac UFO was human origin", Exotic material results soon & more
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With so much news in the last few days, here is a round-up of whats going on right now with the UFO topic, including:
Ross Coulthart told the Tic-Tac was Lockheed Martin technology
The 2024/25 Drone flap was Chinese/US
Baltic Sea Anomaly expedition
MUFON promise results of exotic material
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Check out Coulthart & Zabel NTK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmxyApOGPCA&t=3212s...