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We're baaaaaack! And more chaotic than ever
Michele and Colleen are back on the mics! We talked about our recent lives, burnout recovery, AI tooling, and the evolving landscape of content creation and marketing automation. Oh, and Colleen lets the power guy in halfway through.
Colleen & Michele are back on the mics! (For today, at least)
After two years off-air, Michele and Colleen finally sit down together in front of the mics.
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SaaS Marketing Gym
TinySeed Tales with Colleen are being released every Thursday on Startups for the Rest of Us!
It passed the House! Now what?
The tax deal that includes a retroactive fix for domestic R&D expensing through 2025 passed the House! Now what?
174 Update: Call Congress! Now!
"Hi, I'm a constituent in your district. Please tell the Representative to support HR 7024." That's all you have to say! Find your Rep's phone number: https://ssballiance.org/
174 ALL-POINTS BULLETIN
Time to call both of your Senators and your Representative to get fixing 174 on the priorities before the end of the year. This is especially critical if you're in:
IdahoIllinoisKentuckyMontanaNew YorkOhioOregonPennsylvaniaSouth DakotaTennesseeWashingtonLook up their phone numbers: https://ssballiance.org/
Side Projects as Insurance Policies
Michele chats with Kevin Griffin about how she sees side projects not only as a way to earn extra money but as insurance policies against losing your job or other unexpected life events.
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ADHD + Entrepreneurship: A Conversation with Jesse J. Anderson, aka ADHD Jesse
Michele chats with Jesse J. Anderson, aka ADHD Jesse, about finding out one has ADHD as an adult, entrepreneurship as people with ADHD, parenting an ADHD child, and more.
Get Jesse's book "Extra Focus: The Quick-Start Guide to Adult ADHD" and join his newsletter: https://adhdjesse.com/
+ Recommended book on parenting kids with ADHD: ADD Superparenting
Section 174 Update: Sign the new letter!
Sign the National Association of Manufacturers letter! https://ssballiance.org/
Can the R&D Tax Credit Offset the Section 174 Changes?
The R&D Tax Credit still exists, and it might be able to help you offset the Section 174 changes. Michele talks to R&D Tax Credit expert Jonathan Cardella of Strike Tax Advisory to learn more.
Learn more:
What is the R&D Tax Credit?IRS R&D Tax Credit rulesPlease note: This podcast is for informational purposes only and is not tax advice. Talk to your tax preparer for advice about your specific situation.
The letter to Congress has been sent! Here's what comes next.
CNBC article: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/18/software-firms-face-huge-tax-bills-that-threaten-tech-startup-survival.html
Politico Morning Tax: https://twitter.com/mjwhansen/status/1648329709774684165
Keep Calm and Carry On
Michele gives another update on the Section 174 effort and chats with Tyler Tringas and Arvid Kahl.
Huge thanks to Justin Jackson and Corey Haines for sending out the letter to their newsletters! Subscribe to their newsletters:
Corey's newsletter: https://www.corey.co/
Justin's newsletter: https://justinjackson.ca/newsletter
Numbers Update + Chat with Landon and Kyle
Numbers update on the letter to Congress + crossover with Made with Grit.
It's me, hi. It's the problem, it's Section 174
An update from Michele on what she and Colleen have been doing for the past few months, and an urgent call to action to sign the Small Software Business Alliance Coalition letter to Congress: https://ssballiance.org/
Tweet thread FAQ on Section 174: https://twitter.com/mjwhansen/status/1640696365637419008
What 2023 Brings for Colleen, Michele, and This Show
Colleen and Michele talk about their hopes and plans for 2023, and make an announcement about this show.
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who became Software Socialites and supported our show! We genuinely appreciate your enthusiasm and support.
Chris from Chipper CIThe Daringly Handsome Kevin GriffinAnd Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personalityDave from RecutMax of OnlineOrNotStefan from Talk to StefanBrendan Andrade of Bright BitsTeam TupleAlex Hillman from The Tiny MBARamy from Hovercode and Rocket GemsJane and Benedikt from UserlistKendall MorganRuben Gamez of SignWellCorey Haines of SwipeWellMike Wade of Crowd SentryNate Ritter...The Forcing Function Episode: Launch Christian Genco's New SaaS
Michele talked to Christian Genco on December 1 about what he needed to do to launch his new SaaS, TheVideoClipper, with a deadline of having it done before this episode was released. So... did he do it?
Follow Christian! https://twitter.com/cgenco
Check out TheVideoClipper: https://thevideoclipper.com/
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show!
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Reflecting on 2022
Michele and Colleen reflect on the year.
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Culture + Feedback = ???
Michele shares her takeaways from the book The Culture Map and what it might mean for getting product feedback and building products across countries.
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters
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TinySeed, TinyConf
Colleen recaps her learnings from her first TinySeed meetup/MicroConf: Local Austin.
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters
Chris from Chipper CIThe Daringly Handsome Kevin GriffinAnd Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personalityDave from RecutMax of OnlineOrNotStefan from Talk to StefanBrendan Andrade of Bright BitsTeam TupleAlex Hillman from The Tiny MBARamy from Hovercode and Rocket GemsJane and Benedikt from UserlistKendall MorganRuben Gamez of SignWellCorey Haines of SwipeWellMike Wade of Crowd SentryNate Ri...Listing on MicroAcquire
Colleen is ready to go all-in on Refine... and that means moving on from Simple File Upload.
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters
New supporters!
Lynn Romich from Konbini
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The Hammerstone Podcast is back
Colleen and her business partner Aaron give an update on Hammerstone (Refine) in this crossover episode.
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters
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Talking to other entrepreneurs made Michele realize that she hasn't talked about interplay of qualitative *and* qualitative data enough. Michele and Colleen talk about what that means in the context of feature requests and high-touch sales.
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters
New supporters!
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TinySeed!
Colleen's company was accepted to TinySeed, which means she now gets to work on Refine full time. That means she can finally make some hard decisions and push. (Note: Colleen and Michele were actually in the same place last week, so that's why the audio quality is different than normal!)
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters
Special thanks to our new supporters!
Getting Into Public Speaking as a Developer
Michele chats with indie developer Benedicte Raae about getting into public speaking through streaming.
Follow Benedicte on Twitter! https://twitter.com/raae
Benedicte's website: https://queen.raae.codes/
StreamYard: https://streamyard.com/
A couple friends of this pod have launched their own shows for entrepreneurs lately! Check them out:
Ship SaaS Faster (Simon Bennett + Volkan Kaya): https://shipsaasfaster.com/
Marketing Retro (Adrienne Barnes + Josh Ho): https://marketingretro.substack.com/
The Weekly Build (Marie Ng + Jesse Anderson): https://www.theweeklybuild.com/
This Indie Life (James M...
Sick Leave for Indie Founders?
Should indie founders take sick leave? Michele and Colleen discuss.
A couple friends of this pod have launched their own shows for entrepreneurs lately! Check them out:
Ship SaaS Faster (Simon Bennett + Volkan Kaya): https://shipsaasfaster.com/
Marketing Retro (Adrienne Barnes + Josh Ho): https://marketingretro.substack.com/
The Weekly Build (Marie Ng + Jesse Anderson): https://www.theweeklybuild.com/
This Indie Life (James McKinven + Dagobert Renouf): https://indielife.fm/
The Non-Tech Founders Podcast (Laura Elizabeth and Nathan Powell): https://nontechfounders.transistor.fm/
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve be...
Competitive Advantage and Moats for Small SaaSes, Part 2
Michele continues her chat with Summit founder Matt Wensing about ways indie SaaS founders can think about moats and competitive advantages. This episode: cost advantages, size advantages (big and small), and false moats.
Recommended reading on competitive advantages: The Little Book That Builds Wealth
A couple friends of this pod have launched their own shows for entrepreneurs lately! Check them out:
Ship SaaS Faster (Simon Bennett + Volkan Kaya): https://shipsaasfaster.com/
Marketing Retro (Adrienne Barnes + Josh Ho): https://marketingretro.substack.com/
The Weekly Build (Marie Ng + Jesse Anderson): https://www.theweeklybuild.com/<...
Talking Competitive Advantage and Moats for Small SaaSes, Part 1
Michele chats with Summit founder Matt Wensing about intangible assets, switching costs, and network effects, and how they apply to indie software companies.
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters
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Refine Update with Aaron and Colleen
Aaron Francis, Colleen's co-founder, swings by to chat about Refine.
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters
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Super Pumped (aka The Saturday Edition)
Four things Colleen is super pumped about... and one thing she's not.
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters
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Sprinting a Marathon
Colleen and Michele both have a lot going on.
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Hairy Projects and Heat Waves
Michele's trying to figure out how to approach charging sales taxes, and Colleen finally pushes to prod.
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters
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Distribution vs Marketing
Colleen's in go mode for Refine.
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters
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One Weekly Win
Colleen shares the secret to her recent productivity.
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters
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The One Where Colleen Goes to LA and Michele Looks at Haybales
Should indie entrepreneurs take advice from VC-track folks?
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters
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That's the Job
Learning new things, feeling like you're a bit out of your depth, pushing to the next level: that's the job of being an entrepreneur, and Colleen and Michele are both experiencing that in different ways.
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Work vs Life vs Everything Else
Michele and Colleen catch up on Michele's conference talks... and try to figure out how to make her life work.
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Bonus: Pre-Episode Banter for 8/9/22
Folks seem to love our casual banter, so here's what Zoom captured on our backup recording before we started the actual recording for next Tuesday's episode.
Colleen vs the Cliff
It's finally August, and Colleen is coming up on the deadline for Refine to support her working full-time... or is it?
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters
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Starting a Business - Even When Your Family Doesn't Want You To
Follow Lucie! https://twitter.com/LucieBaratte
Check out Logology: https://www.logology.co/
See her husband Dagobert's memes: https://twitter.com/dagorenouf
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters.
Chris from Chipper CIThe Daringly Handsome Kevin GriffinAnd Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personalityDave from RecutMax of OnlineOrNotStefan from Talk to StefanBrendan Andrade of Bright BitsTeam TupleAlex Hillman from The Tiny MBARamy from Memo.fmJane an...Vision and Empathy with Lucie Baratte of Logology
Follow Lucie! https://twitter.com/LucieBaratte
Check out Logology: https://www.logology.co/
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters.
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Check out Hammerstone here!
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters.
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