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By: Michele Hansen & Colleen Schnettler

Two indie SaaS founders—one just getting off the ground, and one with an established profitable business—invite you to join their weekly chats.

We're baaaaaack! And more chaotic than ever
#146
Today at 8:40 PM

Michele and Colleen are back on the mics! We talked about our recent lives, burnout recovery, AI tooling, and the evolving landscape of content creation and marketing automation. Oh, and Colleen lets the power guy in halfway through.


Colleen & Michele are back on the mics! (For today, at least)
#145
02/22/2025

After two years off-air, Michele and Colleen finally sit down together in front of the mics.

Links:

SaaS Marketing Gym

TinySeed Tales with Colleen are being released every Thursday on Startups for the Rest of Us!


It passed the House! Now what?
#144
02/01/2024

The tax deal that includes a retroactive fix for domestic R&D expensing through 2025 passed the House! Now what?


174 Update: Call Congress! Now!
#143
01/30/2024

"Hi, I'm a constituent in your district. Please tell the Representative to support HR 7024." That's all you have to say! Find your Rep's phone number: https://ssballiance.org/


174 ALL-POINTS BULLETIN
#142
12/06/2023

Time to call both of your Senators and your Representative to get fixing 174 on the priorities before the end of the year. This is especially critical if you're in:

IdahoIllinoisKentuckyMontanaNew YorkOhioOregonPennsylvaniaSouth DakotaTennesseeWashington

Look up their phone numbers: https://ssballiance.org/


Side Projects as Insurance Policies
#141
12/05/2023

Michele chats with Kevin Griffin about how she sees side projects not only as a way to earn extra money but as insurance policies against losing your job or other unexpected life events.

Subscribe to Multithreaded Income! 


ADHD + Entrepreneurship: A Conversation with Jesse J. Anderson, aka ADHD Jesse
#140
11/21/2023

Michele chats with Jesse J. Anderson, aka ADHD Jesse, about finding out one has ADHD as an adult, entrepreneurship as people with ADHD, parenting an ADHD child, and more.

Get Jesse's book "Extra Focus: The Quick-Start Guide to Adult ADHD" and join his newsletter: https://adhdjesse.com/

+ Recommended book on parenting kids with ADHD: ADD Superparenting


Section 174 Update: Sign the new letter!
#139
10/23/2023

Sign the National Association of Manufacturers letter! https://ssballiance.org/


Can the R&D Tax Credit Offset the Section 174 Changes?
#138
09/09/2023

The R&D Tax Credit still exists, and it might be able to help you offset the Section 174 changes. Michele talks to R&D Tax Credit expert Jonathan Cardella of Strike Tax Advisory to learn more. 

Learn more:

What is the R&D Tax Credit?IRS R&D Tax Credit rules

Please note: This podcast is for informational purposes only and is not tax advice. Talk to your tax preparer for advice about your specific situation. 


The letter to Congress has been sent! Here's what comes next.
#137
04/18/2023

CNBC article: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/18/software-firms-face-huge-tax-bills-that-threaten-tech-startup-survival.html

Politico Morning Tax: https://twitter.com/mjwhansen/status/1648329709774684165


Keep Calm and Carry On
#136
04/07/2023

Michele gives another update on the Section 174 effort and chats with Tyler Tringas and Arvid Kahl.

Huge thanks to Justin Jackson and Corey Haines for sending out the letter to their newsletters! Subscribe to their newsletters:
Corey's newsletter: https://www.corey.co/
Justin's newsletter: https://justinjackson.ca/newsletter


Numbers Update + Chat with Landon and Kyle
#135
04/04/2023

Numbers update on the letter to Congress + crossover with Made with Grit. 


It's me, hi. It's the problem, it's Section 174
#134
03/29/2023

An update from Michele on what she and Colleen have been doing for the past few months, and an urgent call to action to sign the Small Software Business Alliance Coalition letter to Congress: https://ssballiance.org/

Tweet thread FAQ on Section 174: https://twitter.com/mjwhansen/status/1640696365637419008


What 2023 Brings for Colleen, Michele, and This Show
#133
01/03/2023

Colleen and Michele talk about their hopes and plans for 2023, and make an announcement about this show.

Huge thanks to all of our listeners who became Software Socialites and supported our show! We genuinely appreciate your enthusiasm and support.

Chris from Chipper CIThe Daringly Handsome Kevin GriffinAnd Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personalityDave from RecutMax of OnlineOrNotStefan from Talk to StefanBrendan Andrade of Bright BitsTeam TupleAlex Hillman from The Tiny MBARamy from Hovercode and Rocket GemsJane and Benedikt from UserlistKendall MorganRuben Gamez of SignWellCorey Haines of SwipeWellMike Wade of Crowd SentryNate Ritter...


The Forcing Function Episode: Launch Christian Genco's New SaaS
#132
12/27/2022

Michele talked to Christian Genco on December 1 about what he needed to do to launch his new SaaS, TheVideoClipper, with a deadline of having it done before this episode was released. So... did he do it?

Follow Christian! https://twitter.com/cgenco
Check out TheVideoClipper: https://thevideoclipper.com/

Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show!

 

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Reflecting on 2022
#131
12/20/2022

Michele and Colleen reflect on the year. 


Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show


Culture + Feedback = ???
#130
12/13/2022

Michele shares her takeaways from the book The Culture Map and what it might mean for getting product feedback and building products across countries.

Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters

 

 

 

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TinySeed, TinyConf
#129
12/06/2022

Colleen recaps her learnings from her first TinySeed meetup/MicroConf: Local Austin.

Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters

Chris from Chipper CIThe Daringly Handsome Kevin GriffinAnd Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personalityDave from RecutMax of OnlineOrNotStefan from Talk to StefanBrendan Andrade of Bright BitsTeam TupleAlex Hillman from The Tiny MBARamy from Hovercode and Rocket GemsJane and Benedikt from UserlistKendall MorganRuben Gamez of SignWellCorey Haines of SwipeWellMike Wade of Crowd SentryNate Ri...


Listing on MicroAcquire
#128
11/29/2022

Colleen is ready to go all-in on Refine... and that means moving on from Simple File Upload.

Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters

 

New supporters!

Lynn Romich from Konbini

 

 

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The Hammerstone Podcast is back
#127
11/22/2022

Colleen and her business partner Aaron give an update on Hammerstone (Refine) in this crossover episode.

Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters

Lynn Romich from KonbiniChris from Chipper CIThe Daringly Handsome Kevin GriffinAnd Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personalityDave from RecutMax of OnlineOrNotStefan from Talk to StefanBrendan Andrade of Bright BitsTeam TupleAlex Hillman from The Tiny MBARamy from Hovercode and Rocket GemsJane and Benedikt from UserlistKendall MorganRuben Gamez of SignWellCorey Ha...


Qualitative and Quantitative Data
#126
11/15/2022

Talking to other entrepreneurs made Michele realize that she hasn't talked about interplay of qualitative *and* qualitative data enough. Michele and Colleen talk about what that means in the context of feature requests and high-touch sales.

Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters

 

New supporters!

Brendon from FeederloopPascal from sharpen.pageLynn Romich from Konbini

 

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TinySeed!
#125
11/08/2022

Colleen's company was accepted to TinySeed, which means she now gets to work on Refine full time. That means she can finally make some hard decisions and push. (Note: Colleen and Michele were actually in the same place last week, so that's why the audio quality is different than normal!)

Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters

 
Special thanks to our new supporters! 

Brendon from FeederloopPascal from sharpen.pageChris from Chipper CIThe Dari...


Getting Into Public Speaking as a Developer
#124
11/01/2022

Michele chats with indie developer Benedicte Raae about getting into public speaking through streaming. 


Follow Benedicte on Twitter! https://twitter.com/raae

Benedicte's website: https://queen.raae.codes/

StreamYard: https://streamyard.com/

A couple friends of this pod have launched their own shows for entrepreneurs lately! Check them out:
Ship SaaS Faster (Simon Bennett + Volkan Kaya): https://shipsaasfaster.com/
Marketing Retro (Adrienne Barnes + Josh Ho): https://marketingretro.substack.com/
The Weekly Build (Marie Ng + Jesse Anderson): https://www.theweeklybuild.com/
This Indie Life (James M...


Sick Leave for Indie Founders?
#122
10/25/2022

Should indie founders take sick leave? Michele and Colleen discuss.

A couple friends of this pod have launched their own shows for entrepreneurs lately! Check them out:
Ship SaaS Faster (Simon Bennett + Volkan Kaya): https://shipsaasfaster.com/
Marketing Retro (Adrienne Barnes + Josh Ho): https://marketingretro.substack.com/
The Weekly Build (Marie Ng + Jesse Anderson): https://www.theweeklybuild.com/
This Indie Life (James McKinven + Dagobert Renouf): https://indielife.fm/
The Non-Tech Founders Podcast (Laura Elizabeth and Nathan Powell): https://nontechfounders.transistor.fm/

Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve be...


Competitive Advantage and Moats for Small SaaSes, Part 2
#121
10/18/2022

Michele continues her chat with Summit founder Matt Wensing about ways indie SaaS founders can think about moats and competitive advantages. This episode: cost advantages, size advantages (big and small), and false moats.

Recommended reading on competitive advantages: The Little Book That Builds Wealth

A couple friends of this pod have launched their own shows for entrepreneurs lately! Check them out:
Ship SaaS Faster (Simon Bennett + Volkan Kaya): https://shipsaasfaster.com/
Marketing Retro (Adrienne Barnes + Josh Ho): https://marketingretro.substack.com/
The Weekly Build (Marie Ng + Jesse Anderson): https://www.theweeklybuild.com/<...


Talking Competitive Advantage and Moats for Small SaaSes, Part 1
#120
10/11/2022

Michele chats with Summit founder Matt Wensing about intangible assets, switching costs, and network effects, and how they apply to indie software companies.

Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters

 

Chris from Chipper CIThe Daringly Handsome Kevin GriffinAnd Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personalityDave from RecutMax of OnlineOrNotStefan from Talk to StefanBrendan Andrade of Bright BitsTeam TupleAlex Hillman from The Tiny MBARamy from Hovercode and Rocket Gem...


Refine Update with Aaron and Colleen
#119
10/04/2022

Aaron Francis, Colleen's co-founder, swings by to chat about Refine. 


Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters

 

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Super Pumped (aka The Saturday Edition)
#118
09/27/2022

Four things Colleen is super pumped about... and one thing she's not.
 
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters

 

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Sprinting a Marathon
#117
09/20/2022

Colleen and Michele both have a lot going on.

Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters

 

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Hairy Projects and Heat Waves
#116
09/13/2022

Michele's trying to figure out how to approach charging sales taxes, and Colleen finally pushes to prod.


Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters

 

Chris from Chipper CIThe Daringly Handsome Kevin GriffinAnd Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personalityDave from RecutMax of OnlineOrNotStefan from Talk to StefanBrendan Andrade of Bright BitsTeam TupleAlex Hillman from The Tiny MBARamy from Memo.fmJane and Benedikt from UserlistKendall MorganRuben Gamez of...


Distribution vs Marketing
#115
09/06/2022

Colleen's in go mode for Refine. 

Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters

 

Chris from Chipper CIThe Daringly Handsome Kevin GriffinAnd Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personalityDave from RecutMax of OnlineOrNotStefan from Talk to StefanBrendan Andrade of Bright BitsTeam TupleAlex Hillman from The Tiny MBARamy from Memo.fmJane and Benedikt from UserlistKendall MorganRuben Gamez of SignWellCorey Haines of SwipeWellMike Wade of Crowd SentryNate Ritter of Room Stea...


One Weekly Win
#114
08/30/2022

Colleen shares the secret to her recent productivity.

Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters

 

Chris from Chipper CIThe Daringly Handsome Kevin GriffinAnd Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personalityDave from RecutMax of OnlineOrNotStefan from Talk to StefanBrendan Andrade of Bright BitsTeam TupleAlex Hillman from The Tiny MBARamy from Memo.fmJane and Benedikt from UserlistKendall MorganRuben Gamez of SignWellCorey Haines of SwipeWellMike Wade of Crowd SentryNate Ritter of...


The One Where Colleen Goes to LA and Michele Looks at Haybales
#113
08/23/2022

Should indie entrepreneurs take advice from VC-track folks?

Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters

 

Chris from Chipper CIThe Daringly Handsome Kevin GriffinAnd Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personalityDave from RecutMax of OnlineOrNotStefan from Talk to StefanBrendan Andrade of Bright BitsTeam TupleAlex Hillman from The Tiny MBARamy from Memo.fmJane and Benedikt from UserlistKendall MorganRuben Gamez of SignWellCorey Haines of SwipeWellMike Wade of Crowd SentryNate Ritter of...


That's the Job
#112
08/16/2022

Learning new things, feeling like you're a bit out of your depth, pushing to the next level: that's the job of being an entrepreneur, and Colleen and Michele are both experiencing that in different ways.

Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters

 

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Work vs Life vs Everything Else
#111
08/09/2022

Michele and Colleen catch up on Michele's conference talks... and try to figure out how to make her life work. 

Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters

 

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Bonus: Pre-Episode Banter for 8/9/22
#110
08/04/2022

Folks seem to love our casual banter, so here's what Zoom captured on our backup recording before we started the actual recording for next Tuesday's episode. 


Colleen vs the Cliff
#109
08/02/2022

It's finally August, and Colleen is coming up on the deadline for Refine to support her working full-time... or is it?

Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters

 

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Starting a Business - Even When Your Family Doesn't Want You To
#108
07/26/2022

Follow Lucie! https://twitter.com/LucieBaratte

Check out Logology: https://www.logology.co/

See her husband Dagobert's memes: https://twitter.com/dagorenouf

Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters.

Chris from Chipper CIThe Daringly Handsome Kevin GriffinAnd Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personalityDave from RecutMax of OnlineOrNotStefan from Talk to StefanBrendan Andrade of Bright BitsTeam TupleAlex Hillman from The Tiny MBARamy from Memo.fmJane an...


Vision and Empathy with Lucie Baratte of Logology
#107
07/19/2022

Follow Lucie! https://twitter.com/LucieBaratte

Check out Logology: https://www.logology.co/

Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters.

Chris from Chipper CIThe Daringly Handsome Kevin GriffinAnd Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personalityDave from RecutMax of OnlineOrNotStefan from Talk to StefanBrendan Andrade of Bright BitsTeam TupleAlex Hillman from The Tiny MBARamy from Memo.fmJane and Benedikt from UserlistKendall MorganRuben Gamez of SignWellCorey Haines of SwipeWellMike Wa...


What's Hammerstone? A Broadcast of the Hammerstone.dev Podcast with Colleen and Aaron
#106
07/12/2022

Check out Hammerstone here!

Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters.

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