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The Flip is an editorial-style podcast exploring contextually relevant insights from entrepreneurs and investors changing the status quo in Africa. The name The Flip comes from the opportunity to flip the script – question some of the pervasive narratives on entrepreneurship, challenge the ubiquity of Silicon Valley thought leadership, and champion the entrepreneurs building a future inspired by Africa. Produced and hosted by Johannesburg-based entrepreneur and American expat Justin Norman. Sayo Folawiyo is the executive producer and b-mic.

The Real Reason People Are Using Stablecoins
05/29/2025

Watch this episode on YouTube.

2025 is the year of stablecoins. 


Transaction volumes have grown to over $33 trillion in the past 12 months. The top Dollar-denominated stablecoins are the 17th largest holder of US treasuries globally. Tether, issuer the largest stablecoin by volume, USDT, announced $13 billion in net profit in 2024. Circle, the USDC issuer, is going public.


But what got the hype train going was Stripe’s acquisition of the startup Bridge for $1.1 billion.


And all of Bridge’s product market fit is coming from...


Why the NFL is Bringing American Football to Africa
04/23/2025

There are 1,696 active players in the NFL. Just 138 are African. 


But if it were up to Osi Umenyiora, 11-year veteran and 2-time Super Bowl Champion, there would be many more. 


Osi is the Founder of The Uprise, the NFL's lead in Africa, and he's pioneering American football on the African continent. 


At the NFL's camp in Lagos, Nigeria, young athletes are vying for a shot to join the NFL Academy in London or to go straight to the League through the International Player Pathway Pro...


How We're Helping African Farmers Grow
02/25/2025

Farming is the number one source of employment in Africa, yet its agricultural productivity is the lowest of any region in the world. 


The opportunity is immense—60% of the world’s uncultivated arable land is on the continent—but rural communities are suffering from a lack of economic opportunity.


So young Africans are building innovative solutions to tackle the problems that are impacting their families and communities.


Wissal Ben Moussa is the Co-founder & R&D Officer of Sand To Green, a Moroccan startup pairing regener...


What We Get Wrong About Climate Financing
02/06/2025

Reports suggest that climate change is set to cost the global economy $38 billion per year by 2049. Emerging markets need close to $2.4 trillion per year by 2030 to meet the climate goals. That's 4 times what is currently invested. 


But high capital costs are stalling clean energy investment across Africa. If you want to build a renewable energy project in Sub-Saharan Africa, the weighted average cost of capital would be up to 4x as much as the same project in Western Europe or the US, due to the real and perceived risks of investing on the continent.


Can Solar Power Solve Nigeria's Energy Crisis?
01/21/2025

Nigeria’s energy crisis has persisted for decades. Africa's largest country is largely powered by fuel generators. They're noisy, dirty, and bad for the environment. But they also provide power to millions of people in a country with an unreliable grid. 

The removal of Nigeria's long-standing fuel subsidy in 2023 caused the price of fuel to quadruple, leaving Nigerian consumers searching for options. And many are going solar. 

So while economic considerations have largely driven Nigeria's transition to solar power, it has positive climate implications too.

But why is the grid so broken? How can...


How Africa’s Green Industries Could Save the Planet
12/09/2024

Can Africa be a leader in the global fight against climate change? 


While the continent has contributed just 3 percent to global carbon emissions, it is the most impacted by climate change. But it also has a range of natural endowments that leave it well-positioned to build green industries that will have a positive economic impact locally and can play a significant global role in getting to net zero.


In this episode, we're joined by three Africa-focused climate founders solving local problems with global implications. 


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This Funding Model is Helping Fight Climate Change
11/11/2024

These climate investors are funding climate startups using a hands-on venture-building model to support founders across Africa. 

In this episode, we’re joined by James Mwangi from Africa Climate Ventures, Maxime Bayen from Catalyst Fund, and Lyndsay Holley Handler from Delta40.

We discuss why African ventures and climate startups, in particular, benefit from the venture building model; the limitations of the traditional two and twenty fund model in the African tech ecosystem; the types of founders and opportunities these investors are looking for; the pitch these investors are making to global investors for why they sho...


How Moniepoint Powers Millions of Businesses Across Nigeria
08/29/2024

There are millions of Moniepoint point-of-sale terminals in use across Nigeria. These point-of-sale devices power Nigeria’s offline economy, and while there are many competitors in this space, Moniepoint appears to beating them all. 


How did they do it? How did Moniepoint grow so quickly? And why has it become the preferred choice for agents and merchants across Nigeria?


In this episode, we hit the streets of Lagos with Ezekiel Sanni, Moniepoint's Senior Vice President of Distribution Network Sales.


Moniepoint has been recognized as Afr...


How Africa's Fastest Growing Company is Helping Retailers Grow
07/25/2024

Small retailers in Nigeria power the economy. But they’re going through some tough times. Devaluation, food inflation, and overall poor economic conditions have made it especially hard for these small businesses to operate.


To better understand how retail works, and how these small businesses can grow, we hit the streets of Lagos with Deepankar Rustagi, CEO of OmniRetail.


OmniRetail was ranked Africa's #1 Fastest Growing Company in 2024 by Financial Times.


In this episode, Deepankar explains small retailers' working capital challenges and how OmniRetail is he...


An African Tech Exit - Selling Sendwave for $500 Million
06/13/2024

One of the African tech ecosystem's largest exits was the 2020 sale of Sendwave to WorldRemit for $500 million. 


Sid Sridhar was Sendwave's Head of Business at the time, and in this episode, Sid shares his M&A lessons for the African tech ecosystem.


Sid is now the Head of Business at Wave, the mobile money company spun out of Sendwave that's competing head-on with the telcos in Francophone West Africa. Wave raised a $200 million Series A in 2021, valuing the company at $1.7 billion. 


00:00 - Introduction
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Tackling Africa’s $330 Billion Credit Gap
05/30/2024

There is a $330 billion credit gap, according to the IFC. But why is it so hard to lend in African markets? 


We explore that question with Chijioke Dozie, Co-founder and CEO of Carbon, and Mark Straub, CEO of Smile Identity.


This episode was recorded live from the FT Partners Fintech in Africa Summit in New York City. Download their FinTech in Africa research report, published in March 2024.


00:00 - Introduction
01:36 - The credit infrastructure problems in Africa
02:28 - Carbon's approach to lending
03:51...


African Small Businesses Have Many Challenges. Can These Platforms Help?
05/23/2024

In this episode, the third in our docuseries on jobtech platforms and the future of work, we dive deeper into the value chain, because the problems that small businesses have across the continent are multi-layered. 


In an environment of demand constraints and a lack of infrastructure, platforms need to solve multiple problems across the value chain. This is what makes jobtech platforms so hard to build in Africa. 


But for those who can solve problems across the value chain, it not only unlocks growth opportunities for their users, but it...


Why Are Cross-Border Payments So Hard?
05/16/2024

Benjamin Fernandes, the Founder and CEO of the remittance platform NALA, likes to say that payments are just 1% built in Africa. 


Why are cross-border payments so hard? 


In this episode, we're joined in conversation with Benjamin Fernandes and Dan Kleinbaum, a co-founder of Beyonic, which sold to Onafriq, and now the Founder of the FX platform GTXN. 


This episode was recorded live from the FT Partners Fintech in Africa Summit in New York City. Download their FinTech in Africa research report, published in March 2024.

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Nigerian Neobank Roundtable: Moniepoint, Kuda, FairMoney
05/09/2024

In this episode, we're joined in a panel conversation with the CEOs of three of Nigeria's biggest digital banks: Moniepoint's Tosin Eniolorunda, Kuda's Babs Ogundeyi, and FairMoney's Laurin Hainy.


This episode was recorded live from the FT Partners Fintech in Africa Summit in New York City. Download their FinTech in Africa research report, published in March 2024.


00:00 - Intro
01:18 - Moniepoint's distribution-first strategy
02:45 - FairMoney's credit-led approach
04:46 - Kuda's neobank strategy
06:48 - Banks, product, competition, expansion
25:45 - Growth, VC returns
33:56 - What does success...


The Future of Work Will Be Bootstrapped
04/18/2024

In our first episode of this series on jobtech platforms and the future of work, we argued that the future of work is a tech-enabled portfolio of work. 


But what does a portfolio of work really look like? And what happens next? 


We know we need to create more formal jobs in Africa, and we need to boost the productivity of the informal sector. But how do we get there? 


Considering the context of the markets in question, the future of work isn’t going...


Much Ado About the Media, Live from Lagos
04/04/2024

In January 2024, we hosted a live show in Lagos with The Subtext's Osarumen Osamuyi on the relationship between the tech ecosystem and the media. 

It was a follow-up to a 2020 episode we published entitled Much Ado About the Media.


A lot of founders still feel the media is acting in bad faith amidst more accountable media coverage. In this episode, we explore this tension and have an important discussion with the ecosystem players themselves.


00:00 - Intro
01:22 - Reflecting on 2020's episode
08:20 - Paga's Tayo Oviosu's f...


Afrobeats, Basketball & Commerce
03/28/2024

Live from the BIG Summit, a platform hosted by investor and 2x NBA All-Star Baron Davis, at the 2024 NBA All-Star Game, a conversation with three operators connecting Africa to the world through culture and commerce. 


In this conversation, we're joined by Clare Akamanzi, the CEO of NBA Africa, Abdul Karim Abdullah, the Founder and CEO of AfroFuture music festival, and entrepreneur and private equity investor Tuyee Yeboah. 


00:00 - Intro
02:38 - NBA Africa
05:32 - AfroFuture
08:34 - Investing across Africa and the US
10:55 - Basketball's role in Af...


What We Get Wrong About Jobs in Africa
03/14/2024

The African continent has the highest levels of poverty, the lowest levels of formal employment, and its population is going to double in the next 30 years. 


African countries need to create more jobs. But what kinds of jobs? And how? 


What if I told you that the way governments and development organizations are trying to create jobs in Africa is all wrong? 


 To make a dent in this problem requires an understanding of the realities on the ground and how that has impacted the pref...


Unlocking Gender-Smart Capital At Scale (2X Global's Jessica Espinoza)
#5
03/07/2024

Despite research showing that female founders outperform their male peers, startups with a solo female founder or an all-female founding team raised a mere 2% of all the funding in Africa last year. There is a huge gender funding gap. How do we close it?


This episode is the last episode of a five-episode series on gender lens investing, co-hosted by Eloho Omame, Founding Partner of First Check Africa, an early-stage fund backing female-led startups. Each episode of this series will explore a different level of the fundraising value chain. 


I...


The Mastercard Foundation is Investing $150 Million into 20 Gender Lens Funds
#4
02/29/2024

Despite research showing that female founders outperform their male peers, startups with a solo female founder or an all-female founding team raised a mere 2% of all the funding in Africa last year. There is a huge gender funding gap. How do we close it?


This episode is the fourth of a five-episode series on gender lens investing, co-hosted by Eloho Omame, Founding Partner of First Check Africa, an early-stage fund backing female-led startups. Each episode of this series will explore a different level of the fundraising value chain. 


The M...


Investing in Women is an Economic Imperative (Tokunboh Ishmael, Andreata Muforo)
#3
02/22/2024

Despite research showing that female founders outperform their male peers, startups with a solo female founder or an all-female founding team raised a mere 2% of all the funding in Africa last year. There is a huge gender funding gap. How do we close it?


This episode is the third of a five-episode series on gender lens investing, co-hosted by Eloho Omame, Founding Partner of First Check Africa, an early-stage fund backing female-led startups. Each episode of this series will explore a different level of the fundraising value chain. 


In t...


This Angel Investor is Closing the Gender Funding Gap (Rising Tide Africa's Yemi Keri)
#2
02/15/2024

Despite research showing that female founders outperform their male peers, startups with a solo female founder or an all-female founding team raised a mere 2% of all the funding in Africa last year. There is a huge gender funding gap. How do we close it?


This episode is the second of a five-episode series on gender lens investing, co-hosted by Eloho Omame, Founding Partner of First Check Africa, an early-stage fund backing female-led startups. Each episode of this series will explore a different level of the fundraising value chain. 


In t...


Why is only 2% of funding going to female founders?
#1
02/08/2024

Despite research showing that female founders outperform their male peers, startups with a solo female founder or an all-female founding team raised a mere 2% of all the funding in Africa last year. There is a huge gender funding gap. How do we close it?


This episode is the first of a five-episode series on gender lens investing, co-hosted by Eloho Omame, Founding Partner of First Check Africa, an early-stage fund backing female-led startups. Each episode of this series will explore a different level of the fundraising value chain. 


In t...


In Conversation with Aigboje Aig-Imoukhuede (Coronation Capital, Access Bank)
#9
01/26/2024

Today's guest is Aigboje Aig-Imoukhuede, Chairman of Coronation Capital and former Group MD and CEO of Access Bank. 


Aigboje is one of the most successful and esteemed businesspeople on the continent. In 2002, he led the acquisition of Access Bank, which under his 11-year leadership grew into the largest bank in Nigeria and one of the largest in Africa.


This wide-ranging discussion with the Chairman took place during the 2023 UN General Assembly in New York at an event hosted by the early-stage VC fund Microtraction, in which we were joined i...


Norrsken22: Investing $205 Million into African Startups
#8
01/11/2024

Today's guests are Natalie Kolbe, Ngetha Waithaka and Lexi Novitske - Partners of the $205 million growth fund Norrsken22. 


In this episode, we'll talk about investment strategy, valuations, perspectives for the ecosystem, exits, and much more. 


00:00 - Intro
00:48 - Norrsken22's $205m fundraise
09:36 - Investment strategy & process
12:43 - Investing in asset-light marketplaces
14:37 - Expansion
18:04 - Investment theses
27:26 - Macro perspectives
30:22 - What are the partners focused on and thinking about?
35:23 - Exits
40:49 - What does success look like?


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How to Pivot with Union54's Perseus Mlambo
#7
12/14/2023

Today's guest is Perseus Mlambo, Co-founder and CEO of Union54, the developers of the social commerce app ChitChat. 


The company started as Zazu, an agtech startup, which pivoted to Zazu the neobank. After issuing virtual cards for their users and seeing the demand other fintechs had for virtual cards, they pivoted to Union54 the card issuing API, which after massive traction in the fintech ecosystem and subsequent issues with fraud, has pivoted once more to ChitChat.


With many pivots come many lessons, and in this episode, Perseus shares his l...


MTN Nigeria's Adia Sowho: Sharing Is A Must
#6
11/30/2023

Today's guest is Adia Sowho, one of the most experienced and thoughtful operators in the African tech ecosystem. After starting her career in consulting and telecommunications, Adia led growth at the digital credit startup Migo, before leading the turnaround as Interim CEO of the embattled agriculture finance company Thrive Agric. 


In this episode, we'll learn from Adia about her lessons working across both big and small companies, about the importance of sharing those lessons learned, and so much more.  


00:00 - Intro
03:41 - Sharing is a must
07:19 - Le...


Ham Serunjogi: How Chipper Cash is Surviving the Slowdown
#5
11/16/2023

Today's guest is Ham Serunjogi, the Co-founder and CEO of Chipper Cash.

In 2021, Chipper raised $150 million Series C extension, valuing the startup at $2 billion, but has since cut its valuation, reportedly by 70 percent, has engaged in three rounds of layoffs, reducing its headcount by nearly 175 from its peak of 450, and has drastically pulled back from its aggressive growth and expansion strategies across the continent.

This conversation with Ham comes at an interesting time for Chipper and in the market, in general. Tough macro conditions on the continent, a slowdown of funding, tech layoffs. And at...


Making Borders Matter Less with Onafriq's Dare Okoudjou
#4
11/02/2023

Today's guest is Dare Okoudjou, the Founder and CEO of MFS Africa, which this week has rebranded to Onafriq. 


The new name represents a new chapter in the company, which is a very different looking company than when we first had Dare on the show back in 2020, after their acquisition of Beyonic. Since then, they've also acquired the card issuer, GTP in the US, and the agent network Baxi in Nigeria. 


This current period of the African tech ecosystem is one of increased consolidation and company shutdowns amidst a fu...


Investing in African Talent with YC's Michael Seibel & Microtraction's Kwamena Afful
#3
10/19/2023

Today's guests are Michael Seibel, the Managing Director of Y Combinator, and Kwamena Afful, a Founding Partner of Microtraction. 


Michael has been an avid supporter of the African tech ecosystem. Since his first trip to Lagos in 2016, and since Paystack joined YC's winter batch earlier that year, the number of African startups that have participated in the global accelerator has grown to 89. 


And for Microtraction, the early-stage fund was founded in 2017, in part in relation to the increased global interest in the African tech ecosystem, where Microtraction's early financial su...


Building a $1B Fintech in South Africa with Stitch CEO Kiaan Pillay
#2
10/06/2023

Today's guest is Kiaan Pillay, the Co-founder and CEO of Stitch. My conversation with Kiaan comes on the heels of their recent fundraising announcement, a $25 million Series A extension led by the global fintech fund Ribbit Capital, which brings their total funding raised up over $50 million since the launch of the company in 2019.


In this episode, we talk to Kiaan about how they've gotten here, the intangibles of company building, their vision for the next generation of payments, and much more.


00:00 - Intro
03:29 - Stitch's $25 million Series A...


Olugbenga 'GB' Agboola: Hard-Earned Lessons Building Flutterwave
#1
09/22/2023

Today's guest is Olugbenga Agboola, better known as the one and only GB - the Co-founder and CEO of Flutterwave. 


It's been a trying last year or so for Flutterwave with issues of fraud, allegations of impropriety inside the company, regulatory hurdles, and the general challenges of scaling a fintech in a tough operating environment.


Yet through it all, Flutterwave has "technology reach" in 34 countries, they've continued to ship new products beyond their core payments technology, including their rebranded remittance product Send App, and there are rumors swirling about t...


The Future of Work Won't Look Like a Job
#10
04/13/2023

The future of work in the African context is going to be a lot of different things. It mimics the nature of work itself for many individuals on the continent. They're taking this portfolio approach to work. Even in more "developed markets" we're seeing work become less formal and more flexible, as work becomes unbundled from employment. And this evolution of work itself provides a whole set of new challenges and opportunities. 


So this episode is a retrospective on the entire season, in which we explore more of these questions about the future of w...


The Role of Big Tech in the Future of Work
#9
04/06/2023

There is a perception that there's a tech talent shortage in the African tech ecosystem, and that it's hard to find high-quality local talent.

There has been lot of conversation around the impact and role of Big Tech in the equation, which many felt were also culprits in driving up the price of talent in local marketplaces. In an environment of talent scarcity, there's been an upward pressure on salaries for talent of a certain caliber - which Big Tech can more readily afford compared to startups.

And while the supply-demand equation may be changing...


Stablecoins: Africa's Killer Crypto App
03/31/2023

We're dropping one more episode of our new show, crypto@scale, on The Flip's feed today. In this episode, we interview our first guests on what might be Africa's killer crypto app, stablecoins. According to data from Coinmetrics, cumulative Stablecoin volumes are at a $9 trillion annualized run rate, exceeding the volumes of all major card networks, except for Visa. Across the African continent, stablecoins are finding meaningful uptake, particularly in markets with low USD liquidity, or countries experiencing currency devaluation.


In today's episode, we're going to explore stablecoins in two parts. First, a global...


Introducing crypto@scale
03/28/2023

We interrupt this season on the future of work to drop a special episode today in The Flip’s feed. Introducing crypto@scale, a new show from The Flip, co-hosted by MFS Africa's Head of Crypto, Gwera Kiwana, and The Flip's Justin Norman.

crypto@scale is a pragmatic and hopefully hype-free exploration of the crypto ecosystem across the African continent.

If you enjoy this episode, please be sure to subscribe on your favorite podcast app or YouTube by searching for crypto@scale. We'll be dropping one more episode later this week and new episodes every ot...


The Future of Work is Standardization
#8
03/23/2023

Where there is fragmentation, informality, and a dearth of infrastructure, there are questions about what the path to formality and standardization will look like. One intriguing answer to that question is conversion franchising, where existing stores are converted into a franchise.

In the future of work context, are microenterprises, their owners, and their employees better off as converted franchisees?

This episode is a case study, with mPharma's Gregory Rockson.

00:00 - We begin this episode's exploration with a question - are subsistence farmers better off as employees of a commercial farm? With Twiga Foods...


The Future of Work is Vertical Platforms
#7
03/16/2023

African markets are largely informal. So while our examination of workforce and training programs in the fast few episodes focused on formal and salaried jobs, we know that most Africans aren't going to get these types of jobs. So, our exploration of the future of work needs to span much further than that. Where there are no formal jobs, what does it look like to help stimulate the development of the informal sector and microenterprises? And what role does technology play?


In this context, we hear a lot about platforms and their role in...


The Future of Work Needs Training
#6
03/09/2023

Throughout this season, we've heard about this disconnect between supply and demand in the labor marketplace. It's often a skills and training issue. 

Even where there are jobs, there's still this disconnect between demand and supply. But what are we training people for when there are few jobs or income-generating opportunities? 

In the past few episodes of this season, we've explored the talent networks, the remote work platforms, the workforce enablement programs, and the multi-stakeholder initiatives to attract more global roles to the African continent. All of these interventions work to better connect supply and de...


The Future of Work is Matching
#5
03/02/2023

How do we tie interventions - whether traditional education or boot camps or training programs - to job outcomes? As we'll explore in this episode, it requires a demand-led approach and starts with employers. 

In this episode, we're going to focus on the platforms doing the matching - those that are explicitly working to better connect supply and demand in the job marketplace, to achieve the employment outcomes we wish to see across the continent. 

4:03 - We start our exploration on matching with the traditional jobs marketplaces, with The African Talent Company's Hilda Kragha.
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