Discourse in Magic

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By: Jonah Babins and Tyler Williams

Jonah Babins and Tyler Williams from Discourse in Magic tackle magic's hardest issues, theories, philosophies, discussion, and more to help you explore. We jump into all sorts of resources and most importantly actionable tips to help better the art and become a killer performer!

Three Things I Learned During My Second Appearance On Fool Us
11/09/2023

Jonah returns from the wild to let you know that tomorrow, November 9 2023, he and Ben Train will be appearing for the second time on Penn & Teller’s Fool Us!

 

In this special magic appetizer, Jonah offers up the three biggest lessons he learned on his second appearance of Fool Us and why you should apply to appear on this show or any other.

Lesson 1: Getting Back On The Show

Jonah and Ben’s second appearance on Fool Us is a very different story than the first time last year. This time they...


Magic Without Props with Juan Esteban Varela
07/13/2023

Jonah is joined by Juan Esteban Varela, a master at performing without props. Juan is the mind behind Magic in the Dark and in this conversation he talks all about it, about magic without props, and shares his personal story through magic and how wonderful it is. 

Moving to Madrid

Like many others, Juan got bit by the magic bug at a very young age and never looked back. He’s so immersed in his love of magic he says that he can’t understand why anyone wouldn’t want to be in magic. Originally from Ch...


Magic Appetizer: A Case For Counting Tricks
07/06/2023

In this magical appetizer, Jonah makes a case for counting tricks. Love them or hate them Jonah is convinced that they should be a staple trick in your roster and lays out his reasons why. 

Specifically we are discussing one type of card trick, the counting card trick, where you end up counting to a number. It could be any number, a card, a position, weighing the cards, or an actual trick where you are dealing lots of cards. 

Misconceptions of Counting Tricks 

Maybe, when you hear counting tricks, you immediately think of som...


Social Media Magic with Dustin Dean
06/29/2023

Jonah is joined by Dustin Dean, an incredible mentalist who you may have seen on your TikTok feed. He has over half a million followers and countless videos with millions of views. In this conversation we’ll learn all about his success, how you can get into growing your social media presence, and how to thread the line between fooling your audience and being honest with them.

The Mentalist on The Screen

Dustin’s first influential exposure and interest in magic really came into focus when he encountered one of Darren Brown’s television shows. Seeing...


Magic Appetizer: 3 Ways to Make 3k
06/22/2023

In this magic appetizer Jonah offers up three ways that you can grow your business to making more than 3k a month in the next six months. In the past Jonah has taught master classes and entry-level classes for magicians looking to increase their business and in this episode he’s going to share his insights on the three biggest mistakes that new magicians make when starting their business and what fixes you can do so that you can be well on your way. 

Mistake #1: Pricing

This is one of the most common mistakes that mag...


Magic Appetizer: Three Notes on Creativity
06/15/2023

In this magic appetizer Jonah offers up three things that you may want to think about when you are creating magic, making routines, and putting stuff out in the world. 

#1: Clarity Comes from Action and Not Thought

When you are coming up with an idea or when you are working on something, it rarely feels like you’re gaining ground when you are just sitting there thinking about stuff.

You only gain ground when you do the thing, you have to actually put something down on the drawing board and do something and the...


Magic, Mindfulness, and Marketing with David Gerard
06/08/2023

Jonah is joined by David Gerard, a magician who started later in life after a career working in silicon valley marketing for startups. David’s unique background and experiences blends perfectly with Jonah’s interests and curiosity in this conversation that covers everything from how to face the harsh reality of criticism and examining what it feels like to be fooled, to discussions on marketing yourself for corporate events, retaining your clients, and how to grow your magic business. 

Making a Choice to Be Amazed

David remembers vividly his first encounter with magic and shares with...


Magic Appetizer: How To Sell Out Your Show
06/01/2023

Today Jonah talks about how to sell tickets to your public magic show by offering up four ways that you can use to sell out your public ticketed magic show.

Tip #1: Submit to Listings

This is an easy one, an obvious one, and one that you should always be doing. submit to listings all over your city. There are journals, newspapers, online news places, places that actually have event submissions. If you search for things to do in your city you will find all of the websites that have recommendations for what to do this...


The World Champion of Magic with Markobi
05/25/2023

Jonah is joined by FISM winner Markobi where they talk all about what it takes to win a competition, what it’s like to work with a team, and what it’s like to work alone.

Free Videos and Social Media

Markobi learned his first magic tricks from those very same free youtube channels that magicians in the industry today can’t stand. From those videos he started following the names that kept showing up in the comments and began connecting with more and more people doing anything he could to speak to magicians on social...


Mastermind Invitation
05/18/2023

Jonah invites you to join in on his mastermind course where you can scale up your magic business.

Join The Mastermind

Jonah is re-opening up the doors for the Mastermind this month, and he’s looking for five magicians who want to add 3k to 5k per month to their magic business in the next 90 days.

All of the tips, all of the magician appetizers that you see coming out on this podcast, with practical magic business advice, come right from the Mastermind training. If you want Jonah’s help, not only with this...