Business Side of Music

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The Business Side of Music podcast features interviews with leading industry professionals and working musicians, offering real-world advice to help artists grow their careers and incomes. Founded by Tom Sabella and Traci Snowe in 2008, the show has a rich legacy of empowering musicians. For many years, the podcast was hosted by Bob Bender, a respected industry veteran known for his work with Ringo Starr, Billy Preston, and Curb Records. Bob's passing in 2023 left a lasting impact, and we continue to honor his legacy. Today, the podcast is hosted by Sarah Fleshner, a music industry professional with over 12 years of experience...

Breaking Artists in the Algorithm Era with Scott Welch
11/11/2025

In this episode of The Business Side of Music, host Sarah Fleshner sits down with legendary artist manager and music tech investor Scott Welch — the man behind careers for Paula Abdul, Alanis Morissette, Collective Soul, and more. Together, they pull back the curtain on what it really takes to build artists and careers in today's algorithm-driven music industry.

Scott shares brutally honest insights on artist development, music management, and the harsh realities of streaming economics — from why artists are spending more time chasing content than mastering their craft, to how social media should be used as bait to d...


Healing the Music: Inside the Work of Music Health Alliance
10/14/2025

In this episode, we sit down with Shelia Shipley Biddy, CFO and Certified Senior Advisor at Music Health Alliance, to explore how this remarkable organization is helping protect, heal, and support the people behind the music.

Shelia shares how Music Health Alliance serves as a vital resource for musicians and industry professionals seeking healthcare — offering free advocacy, access to doctors, insurance guidance, mental health support, and financial assistance when it's needed most.

We talk about how anyone can get involved, ways to donate, and the impact of Heal The Music Day on October 17th, a mo...


The Business Behind NAMM with John Mlynczak
09/09/2025

In this episode of The Business Side of Music Podcast, NAMM President & CEO John Mlynczak shares what it takes to put on the world's largest music trade show. We cover NAMM's year-round opportunities, music industry innovations, and the impact of AI on the future of music. Perfect for artists, managers, and music business professionals looking to stay ahead.

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Keywords: NAMM Show 2025, National Association of Music Merchants, music business podcast, John Mlynczak interview, NAMM CEO, music industry insights, music trade show, AI in music, music innovation, music industry n...


So You Wanna Be In Show Biz? with Nikki Sanz
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08/26/2025

In this episode of The Business Side of Music, host Sarah Fleshner sits down with Nikki Sanz, founder and CEO of Giggs, the platform revolutionizing how talent gets hired in the live event industry. Nikki shares her journey from an aspiring tour manager to a tech entrepreneur, opening up about the challenges facing today's live music world — from the hidden costs of touring to the constant demand for staffing.

They dig into the myths and misconceptions about music industry roles, the importance of networking and community, and how Giggs is streamlining the hiring process for both artists an...


The Business of Booking with Hamilton Byrd
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07/22/2025

On this episode of Business Side of Music, we sit down with Hamilton Byrd, Senior Talent Buyer for Venue in Colorado Springs, CO. Hamilton dives into what makes a show successful from the venue's perspective, how artists can catch a talent buyer's attention, and why routing, budgeting, and building real industry relationships are key to getting booked. If you're an artist, manager, or industry pro, this is your backstage pass to the business of booking.

 

Key words: music business, live music industry, talent buying, concert promotion, tour routing, music venue operations, artist booking strategy, show b...


Country Music, Family Ties & Filing Taxes with Pam Tillis
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07/01/2025

In this episode of The Business Side of Music, we sit down with country music royalty Pam Tillis. Grammy winner, Grand Ole Opry member, and business-savvy artist who's done it all with grace and grit.

Pam pulls back the curtain on what it's really like navigating the music industry as the daughter of a legend, carving out her own path in a family full of star power. We dive into how she built a long-lasting career, set up her business behind the scenes, and kept her sense of humor every step of the way.

From...


Cheers to 100 Years
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05/20/2025

In this special episode of The Business Side of Music, we sit down with Dan Rogers, the Executive Producer of the Grand Ole Opry, to celebrate the Opry's 100-year anniversary — a century of shaping country music history.

Dan takes us behind the scenes of what it really takes to put on the Opry's iconic shows night after night, sharing the intricate production work, team dynamics, and legacy-building decisions that keep the Opry running strong.

We also dive into the future of the Grand Ole Opry, how it continues to evolve with the times, and what ar...


#338 - The Business Side of Music Series Finale: Saying Goodbye to a Friend
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12/11/2024

In this heartfelt farewell episode of The Business Side of Music Podcast, we say goodbye to our host, mentor, and friend, Bob Bender. As we close this chapter, we reflect on the incredible journey, invaluable lessons, and unforgettable moments shared with our listeners. Thank you for being part of this community and for supporting the podcast through the years. Join us as we celebrate Bob's legacy and bid a fond farewell to the show.

Bob Bender:

With over 45 years experience in the music entertainment industry, Bob Bender has produced over 300 Tours, Festivals, and...


#336 - Bob Talks to Jeff Delia
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12/10/2024

In this episode of The Business Side of Music Podcast, host Bob Bender sits down with Jeff Delia to discuss the intricacies of artist management and the evolving music industry. From building artist careers to navigating industry challenges, they share valuable insights and real-world experiences. Don't miss this deep dive into the business side of making music.

Creator and Executive Producer Emeritus: Tom Sabella Showrunner and Host (the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender Management Representation: Chuck Thompson for Thompson Entertainment Group, LLC Co-Producer - Audio/Video Editor (the man behind the curtain): Mark Sabella D...


#337 - Bob Talks to Jennifer Roe
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12/10/2024

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#335 - Bob Talks to Nick Allegro
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12/09/2024

In this episode of The Business Side of Music Podcast, host Bob Bender sits down with Nick Allegro and the team from Mastering.com to explore the art and business of music production and mastering. From the intricacies of creating the perfect sound to learning mastering in today's music industry, they share valuable insights and practical advice for artists and producers. Tune in for an engaging discussion that bridges creativity and technology in the world of music.

Creator and Executive Producer Emeritus: Tom Sabella Showrunner and Host (the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender Management...


#334 - Bob Talks to Donovan White
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12/09/2024

Join host Bob Bender on The Business Side of Music Podcast as he dives into the world of rock and roll and the modern music industry with special guest Donovan White. Together, they explore the evolution of the industry, share behind-the-scenes stories, and discuss the challenges and opportunities facing artists today. Whether you're a music enthusiast or an industry insider, this episode offers unique insights and a fresh perspective on the ever-changing business of music.

 

Creator and Executive Producer Emeritus: Tom Sabella Showrunner and Host (the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender Management Re...


Wisdom We've Earned From Lessons We've Learned
09/17/2024

Nashville-based musician Nick Hickman epitomizes the dedication and artistry required to leave an indelible mark on country music. Originating from Harriman TN, Nick embarked on his journey to Nashville in 2016, driven by his passion for songwriting and performance. Since then, he has graced the stage alongside notable influences such as Blake Shelton, Lee Brice, Jason Aldean, and more, solidifying his reputation for electrifying performances and engaging with audiences. His talent has garnered praise from venue owners and talent bookers, who commend his stage presence and musical prowess.

Nick Hickman's energy and heartfelt songwriting have resonated with his...


Becoming An Influencer
09/03/2024

You see it all the time. Someone out on social media has hundreds of thousands, if not millions of followers on their Tik Tok, YouTube, Instagram, or Facebook accounts. But how do they get there, and how difficult can it be? Enter social media influencer Nicole de la Cruz.

Nicole de la Cruz is a Puerto Rican singer-songwriter, filmmaker, actress and TikTok Content Creator with over 460K Followers and 350 Million Views. Nicole spent her childhood in Southern Florida where she discovered her passion for music and the arts. In 2015, she moved to Los Angeles to further her...


Perception Versus Perspective
08/27/2024

Back in the 1940's, 50', and into the 1960's, the recording studio was rather a simple affair. Typically one or a few mics would be used to record an artist or a band, with all of the members in the studio at the same time. Then in the 1970's, the recording studio changed, and became a structured environment, where each member could be isolated, with a selection of microphones recorded onto multiple tracks.

Things have changed since then, and the viability of the recording studio, and its status has changed dramatically. On the show today is Steve...


It's Still The Wild, Wild West
08/22/2024

The music business is probably more so like the Wild, Wild West these days, than it ever has been, even going back to the 1960's. Joining us on the show today is the legendary music industry veteran Charlie Peacock, who is a multi Grammy winner, along with being a multiple genre Billboard chart topping music producer, composer, and recording artist. He has been named by Billboard's encyclopedia of record producers, as one of the 500 most important music producers in popular music history. He has produced music for film, television, including "A Walk To Remember", music for "12 Years A Slave"...


Build, Maintain, and Grow
08/13/2024

When it comes to such simple things as communication, networking, and even relationships, there are three basic skills you need to remember. You need to build upon the relationship. You also need to maintain them, and work towards them growing. Joining us in the studio is music industry veteran Lyn Stevens who is an award winning photographer, who combines her love of photography with her passion for music. From that, she has learned the ability to network among industry peers, and shares her insight with our listeners. While on the subject, we also discuss documenting your career with photography...


Tonechaser - The Eddie Van Halen Story
08/06/2024

Joining us on today's episode is noted author Steve Rosen, who shares his story of his time spent with guitar legend Eddie Van Halen. This strikingly personal account of Rosen's twenty six-plus year odyssey with Eddie, one of the greatest and most enigmatic musicians of the 20th Century. What was it like to call Ed a friend? Rosen shares with our listeners how he came about writing his book "Tonechaser - Understanding Edward: My 26 Year Journey with Edward Van Halen".

Steve, is a professional music journalist with a career spanning 50 years. During this period, he has published...


The Journey Home Project
07/30/2024

It is a significant milestone for the Charlie Daniels Patriot Awards Dinner, which will be held on September 11, 2024, at City Winery Nashville. The awards dinner is a program of The Charlie Daniels Journey Home Project, a 501c3 that supports military veterans, first responders and their families. This year marks the 10th anniversary of the program, co-founded by Country Music legend, Charlie Daniels with his longtime manager, David Corlew. Although Daniels passed in 2020, his musical legacy lives on, and his devotion to veterans causes continues through the dedication of Corlew. Through fundraising events, the organization supports the efforts of other...


Is The Big Show A Thing of the Past?
07/23/2024

On this special episode of "Between The Notes" edition here on The Business Side of Music, show contributor Jack Sharkey and host Bob Bender go on a rant, discussing the value of the larger venue concert, and why some acts are having a difficult time selling out these days. Are they (the artist) still viable? Is the cost (and the unpredictable weather when its outdoors) worth going to stand around with hopefully thousands of your closest friends in a partially filled event? Jack and Bob delve into why some acts should no longer find themselves anticipating performing at large...


Artificial Intelligence
07/16/2024

Artificial Intelligence. It's in all the latest hot button topic conversations when it comes to the entertainment industry, especially the music business. How is AI going to affect the future of what we do for a living? Will AI replace the live performance? The artist who's seeking a record deal? Is this the beginning of the end as we know it, or is it the end of the beginning? Legendary record producer Joe Hand is a guest on this episode, where we take a deep dive into artificial intelligence, and go down various rabbit holes, seeking answers, and coming...


Are You Trying to Boil The Ocean?
07/09/2024

Are you looking for ways to engage your digital audience? Are you seeking out ways to know your fan base better? What about finding ways to market to those fans (and turning them into consumers)? Sometimes, it just feels overwhelming, as though you're trying to boil water in the entire ocean.

Joining us in the studio today is Darshan Kaler, who is the founder and CEO of fan engagement for the technology company Tradable Bits, based in Vancouver, Canada. Also joining Darshan is Shaun Verreault, who heads up Tradable Bits' business development (and is lead vocalist and...


Is Your Artistry Protected?
07/02/2024

In an ever evolving world in the music industry, how does an artist go about protecting themselves and their artistry? Especially in a new age of technology, music delivery platforms, and artificial intelligence? This is where legal counsel can help save the day… and possibly your career from the perils and pitfalls.

In the studio today are Brianna Schwartz and Alexis Schreiber, who are attorneys with the law firm Schwartz and Schreiber, based out of Miami Florida. We discuss different legal aspects of the music business, what an artist needs to be aware of, and when is a...


The Efficient Hustle
06/25/2024

The audience is in their seats. The lights dim, and the artist takes the stage. For the next 90 minutes or more, the show goes on without a hitch. But in order to get there, production for the show began to take shape, weeks, if not months earlier. But how does this happen, and who's in charge? Enter the Production Manager. This individual is in charge of everything from ensuring that the stage, sound, and lights are set up properly for the concert, to the numerous emails and phone calls to guarantee that there are no problems (or mistakes). In...


Is Your Music Resonating
06/18/2024

Upwards of 200,000 songs or more are uploaded daily to many digital providing streaming services. It becomes a crowded field rather quickly, and in many instances, your music can get lost in all of what is often called "white noise". As streaming catalogs continue to grow in size and depth of music, DSP's (digital service providers) are beginning to remove music that has had zero impact on listeners. In another words, they want music that will resonate with their audience.

As we continue our annual "Music Biz 2024" Conference Series, in the studio with us today is Gitte Bendzulla...


To Sell or Not To Sell Your Catalog
06/11/2024

With so many artists selling off their catalogs these days, is there even room for the independent artist that may have a substantial collection of songs to be a part of this new trend? Is that catalog worth money? How does one go about finding out what its "retail" value might be? Lior Tibon, who is the co-founder and CEO of Duetti, dropped into the studio during the MusicBiz 2024 Conference to share what its all about, how it can make sense for the "Indie" artist, and what the potential outcome might be.

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The Songwriters Guide Book
06/04/2024

As a songwriter, it's never been more important to track your songs, and receive payment for your efforts, as it is now. But where do you start, and where do you go to find where the royalty payments may be waiting for you? It's not always up to the PRO's (Performing Rights Organizations) to find your money and hand it out to you. In simple terms, you need to be paid for what you create. It can be challenging, and require some hard work, but it is worth it if you know how to navigate the various outlets that...


The Famous Black Box
05/30/2024

Music. Data. Rights. They're all connected in one form or another, but it can be confusing at times, especially with technology outpacing the music industry. As an owner of music content, the revenue stream created by the music, can fall into a black box of sorts, just waiting there until the money is found. In steps Orfium, which is a global technology company solving the entertainment industry's biggest challenges around digital music & broadcast rights management, cue sheets, data and reporting. Bryan Bakke who is the Director of Business Development at Orfium, joins us in the studio to discuss the ever...


The Demise of the Music Store
05/22/2024

The Music Store. Also known as the social gathering place for musicians to gather at, check out the latest musical gear, purchase their goods such as guitars, drums, strings, and sticks. But the traditional music store is much more than that. Its a locale where musicians both new and seasoned can get together and share their chops, collect new ideas, and exchange phone numbers and email addresses. It's where bands are created. But with the recent announcement of the closing of one of the largest music store chains in the Country, the selection of choices has diminished somewhat. But...


Wipe Your Feet at the Door Before You Enter the Theater
05/15/2024

You get on stage, and you're not sure what you're supposed to do. Is it a matter of just singing the songs? Do you create a conversation with the audience? Or do you suffer from some form of stage fright, maybe to the point where you think you're going to throw up once you're on stage (or before)? Joining us today is Bill Cakmis. A seasoned professional with decades of experience, he's more than a performance coach. He's what many in the industry call a "Show Doc".

If it's on stage, at a podium, or in front...


Songs From A Camper Van
05/07/2024

Celebrating his 30th anniversary in the music industry with his band "The Nadas", singer/songwriter, and founding member Jason Walsmith joins us in the studio to talk about his career. Jason has spent his adult life as a career musician, storyteller, photographer, traveler, and adventurer.

The celebrated folk-Americana act The Nadas have amassed a loyal and dedicated following over the past three decades for their engaging live shows and distinctive 70s-meets-90s sound. Blending twangy, Stones-era "country honk" with raw, alt-rock energy and wistful, folk-leaning melodies, their music is as alive as it is authentic. Over 30 years...


You've Got To Swim Out To Meet Your Ship
04/29/2024

As one of 39 kids of the world famous Osmond family (who sold over 100 million records), our guest Nathan Osmond grew up on the set of his uncles TV Show during their heyday. He himself went on to form another generation of Osmond singers, who toured with such 90's acts as New Kids On The Block, Naughty By Nature, and Colour Me Badd. The son of Alan Osmond, he and his brothers moved to Branson Missouri, where they performed at the Osmond Family Theater. While there, Nathan became influenced by Country Music.

Nathan shares his life story, the...


The Anatomy of The Song
04/23/2024

Meet Dave Lenahan. He started out in the music business by being a DJ at WKSU radio on the campus of Kent State University, doing afternoon drive time jazz. He went on to work at Country Station WUBE in Cincinnati OH, but in short order he determined that he was destined to become a hit songwriter. We discuss the anatomy of the song, how to put one together, and what separates a tune from a hit.

Dave currently resides in Nashville TN, writes songs for a living, and hosts the podcast "Songwriter Connection" which has released more...


Touring Career Workshop
04/16/2024

Unless you work for a major corporation within the music industry, and are blessed to have a great benefits package, you must fend for yourself in order to provide the tools needed to get by in life: health insurance, retirement plans, and the general skills to run your own business. Make no mistake about it, if you are a freelance technician in the touring business – you ARE your own business. This is where the vision of the Touring Career Workshop comes to life: a simple workshop where a lot of the success tools needed are presented by experts in ea...


The Japanese Tea Ceremony
04/09/2024

Record Store Day was conceived in 2007 at a gathering of independent record store owners and employees as a way to celebrate and spread the word about the unique culture surrounding the nearly 1400 independently-owned record stores in the US and thousands of similar stores internationally. The first Record Store Day took place on April 19, 2008. Today, 17 years later, Record Store Day is celebrated at independently-owned brick-and-mortar record stores around the world.

On this special edition episode of The Business Side of Music, frequent guest, and music industry veteran Jack Sharkey, explains how Music Store Day came about, its significance...


Making It Big One Gig At A Time
04/04/2024

Stone Senate has been called "a heavier version of Lynyrd Skynyrd, crossed with The Allman Brothers Band". While being mentioned in such heady company is flattering, it is important to note Stone Senate is most definitely not a retro act. They are taking what came naturally from their collective influences a step further and making a name for themselves in the world of modern country rock.

The band is fronted by vocalist/ guitarist Clint Woolsey's smoldering, soulful vocals and unmistakable stage presence. Meanwhile stage left and stage right are burning down with dual lead guitars/vocals of...


The Roadie Cartel
03/26/2024

'Watching Guns N' Roses from the side of the stage in London, standing on the set of Saturday Night Live with Paul Simon, receiving a signed skateboard from Carrie Underwood, and mixing front-of-house sound for Kiss…'

These are just a handful of experiences in the rearview mirror of Phillip Kriz's extraordinary journey in the music industry as a sought-after "roadie" tech, band assistant, and trusted tour confidant. Following nearly 15 years as a dependable road dog, he embarks on what might be his wildest trip yet, making his literary debut with the fictional novel, The Roadie Cartel, in...


Where in The Song is The Moment?
03/12/2024

You crafted your songs. You've put your heart and soul into them, but when you're on stage, the response from the audience is lackluster at best. Is it the material you're performing. In many cases, while the songs are excellent, the presentation is not. Where in the song is the moment on stage that defines who you are? This is where Tom Jackson Productions steps in.

As a trained Live Music Producer for Tom Jackson Productions, Amy Wolter offers her years of personal experience onstage, along with a multi-layered musical background, to help artists engage their audiences...


An Alligator Walking Thru The Everglades
03/05/2024

Continuing our ongoing series of "Between The Notes" episodes with music industry veteran Jack Sharkey, We have a discussion that is often overlooked, or at the very least ignored... The loss of hearing due to years of performing live music. Jack, who himself suffers from hearing loss because of loud volumes on stage (along with a inexperienced sound engineer on occasion), had permanent damage done to his ears after decades performing live. Ironically, Sharkey also works in the audiophile business for a speaker company, and explains how hearing damage can affect your day to day living, whether its with...


It's Pop Culture at the End of the Day
02/27/2024

Do you sometimes feel as though you're just a T-Shirt salesperson, with a 30 minute presentation that's called a set list? Do you wonder why some acts who are at the same level as you, have a product line or sponsor helping support their career while you don't? What seperates you from those that are finding that perfect sponsorship or product branding?

Enter Clay Busch and his company SiX18 Agency. On this episode, Clay shares what companies are looking for when it comes to branding, and what is the ideal partnership with a product line. Sometimes, its not...